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Bericht bewerkt 10/31/2006, 05:46:57 AM door Admin |
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Power to the people - Meet the Keymasters
Because we know how much our contributors love to create and how little time they have, here is a new feature that should save you a lot of time while allowing other users to earn more thanks to their knowledge. (New users can check the Keymentors program here)
In a couple of weeks or maybe less we will integrate a new section that is to be managed by a new type of users: Keymasters. They are to be selected from the interested members based on their English skills as well as previous experience. Some of them will be selected from the Keymentors program, but in order to become one you need to apply and to qualify.
After a short training stage, the Keymasters will populate the information for a part of the submitted images: title, description, keywords and categories.
At upload date contributors will be able to select (or not) if they wish their file to be keyworded by a keymaster, without nothing else required of them than a short caption/description. Most images may need an accurate caption, as the keymaster needs a few details in order to provide the best results.
If the contributor selected this option, the file will be reviewed first (technical and creative criteria).
IF and AFTER the file IS accepted, it will enter a short pending line, directing it towards keymasters. As soon as they keyword the image, the file becomes public and the contributor account is charged with $0.20/image. At the same time, the keymaster's account will receive $0.20. Be aware that as a contributor using this feature, you will need to have a positive balance of earnings at both submission time.
Things should be pretty simple and the waiting time should not be affected by having two different lines, especially as we expect a significant number of members interested to work as keymasters.
As with any other features we will perform small tweaks after we receive feedback from you and after the feature is online, so feel free to post your thoughts here.
In order to avoid fraud, the keywords populated by keymasters will not be visible on the image details page on the site for the first three months. The contributor will be able to add keywords but cannot see the ones already existing nor edit them. A contributor cannot expect to pay for having a single image keymastered, just to use that information in bulk for a few others from the same series.
Title and description will be visible at anytime, but we will still monitor everything, including contributors and keymasters.
Users interested to participate as keymasters are kindly asked to email support. Do not post message on this thread as we will not be able to monitor it.
Dream for more (keywords)! :) |
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Bericht gepost op 10/31/2006, 05:48:57 AM door Rabbitsfoot |
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Sounds interesting....Where do I sign up! |
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Bericht gepost op 10/31/2006, 06:28:59 AM door Dxstudios |
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Does sound interesting. Is there a place to sign up? |
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Bericht gepost op 10/31/2006, 06:31:47 AM door Saorsa |
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Will there be a minimum work level required of keymasters? I wouldn't mind signing in for it once or twice a week for an hour or so but, if there is expected to be a high demand and more stringent work requirements, I wouldn't be interested. I would actually rather be out taking pictures :) |
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Bericht gepost op 10/31/2006, 06:56:46 AM door Achilles - het lid is een admin |
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Users interested to participate as keymasters are kindly asked to email support.
At this stage we don't consider there's a need for a minimum, but don't apply unless you can devote at least several hours of hard work weekly if not daily. |
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Bericht bewerkt 10/31/2006, 08:18:18 AM door Niserin |
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This new feature is rather useful for exclusive members to DT, because of "the keywords populated by keymasters will not be visible on the image details page on the site for the first three months"
If I pay 0.20$ per image I would like to copy these keywords and caption to other stock sites I contribute to, but if this is impossible I find it little useless..... |
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Bericht bewerkt 10/31/2006, 09:45:27 AM door Wysiwygfoto |
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I think this is a terrific new feature. One way to look at this is if you are exclusive, you are essentially netting the upload bonus with paying someone else to keyword the image. FREE KEYWORDING!!!!!! Very good concept.
One thing I would like to request though...would it be possible to get a detailed financial report of the activity that goes on? I am thinking that at the end of the year I'll receive a 1099 for the income relating to my images. If I'm spending 20 cents per keyworded image, then I'd like some sort of invoice to be able to provide a paper trail for expenses (in case I'm audited).
Thanks. |
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Bericht gepost op 10/31/2006, 17:08:29 PM door Rabbitsfoot |
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| Geciteerd Bericht: At this stage we don't consider there's a need for a minimum, but don't apply unless you can devote at least several hours of hard work weekly if not daily. |
Can you give an idea of how many images you'd expect to be "keymastered" per hour? Twenty cents per image may or may not be very attractive when translated into per hour earnings, so i'd like to get an idea before I give this more thought.
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Bericht gepost op 10/31/2006, 21:44:56 PM door Dennist1 |
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Interesting concept, but wondering what will ensure thorough keywording though - the Keymasters will obviously have an incentive to complete their images quickly.
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 01:48:15 AM door Achilles - het lid is een admin |
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Niserin, you are right at one point. You do pay for the image so it would be good to see the results. However, how would you feel if you keyword someone's image and then he is using your work for ten other images without paying you? Just like a client will pay you for taking one photo for an assignment, just to use all photos from that assignment in the end...
Rabbitsfoot, it all depends on the keymaster. Considering you are already keywording your own images, I think that time is relevant for how you will be doing as a keymaster. Some people do a few images per hour, others can do a few tens.
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 01:51:01 AM door Achilles - het lid is een admin |
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Geciteerd Bericht: Interesting concept, but wondering what will ensure thorough keywording though - the Keymasters will obviously have an incentive to complete their images quickly.
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That's a very good point. What will ensure they will just provide the minimum number of keywords without going deeper?
This is why we will select the users interested to participate and will closely monitor their activity and results. Although the contributors will not be able to see the keywords in the beginning, rest assured, the agency has all interest that your files get good exposure. |
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 03:25:27 AM door Tano - het lid is een admin |
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| Oorspronkelijk gepost door Wysiwygfoto: |
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Geciteerd Bericht:
One thing I would like to request though...would it be possible to get a detailed financial report of the activity that goes on? I am thinking that at the end of the year I'll receive a 1099 for the income relating to my images. If I'm spending 20 cents per keyworded image, then I'd like some sort of invoice to be able to provide a paper trail for expenses (in case I'm audited).
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The 20 cents you will pay per keyworded image are deducted from your account before you will request the check. You are not uploading funds for this operation. So, you are just requesting the amount you made selling your images, minus the amount you paid for keyworded images. This final amount you must declare as an income. |
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 06:10:27 AM door Diane555 |
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Geciteerd Bericht: Interesting concept, but wondering what will ensure thorough keywording though - the Keymasters will obviously have an incentive to complete their images quickly.
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Some people enjoy keywording. I personally love the challenge of it and can't believe how many photos I've keyworded here lately that don't even have the basics covered. But I think it's important to choose people that know where to draw the line as well. There is a difference between thorough and spamming. |
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Bericht bewerkt 11/01/2006, 08:45:23 AM door Wysiwygfoto |
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| Oorspronkelijk gepost door Tano: |
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Geciteerd Bericht:
The 20 cents you will pay per keyworded image are deducted from your account before you will request the check. You are not uploading funds for this operation. So, you are just requesting the amount you made selling your images, minus the amount you paid for keyworded images. This final amount you must declare as an income. |
Tano, I understand what you mean by netting the amounts as declared income, but there is still a need to provide the documentation related to the transaction. This is a required business practice in the U.S. under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP). If the agency is not willing to provide an invoice or some kind of report, it will be a burden to the photographer to break out the detail.
The issue is that as individuals, revenue and expenses are recognized on a cash basis. Earnings that the agency reports to a photographer on a Form 1099 should not be net of expenses - they should be gross earnings. Revenue is not recognized until the cash is in hand (just as what is reported on a 1099 is based on what the agency has paid to a contributor, not what their account balance is) and expenses are recognized when money is spent. I don't want to sound like I'm giving legal or tax advice but the expense can be recognized immediately while the revenue does not need to be recognized until cash is received. For some, the expense may occur months before they are eligible for a check request (especially if they are spending their earnings on keywording).
Under the model you present, a contributor could simply convert their earnings balance to credits and purchase images in order to avoid paying taxes on their income. That isn't good business and leaves some legal exposure to the contributor and the agency. |
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Bericht bewerkt 11/01/2006, 12:09:51 PM door Rabbitsfoot |
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Geciteerd Bericht:
Rabbitsfoot, it all depends on the keymaster. Considering you are already keywording your own images, I think that time is relevant for how you will be doing as a keymaster. Some people do a few images per hour, others can do a few tens.
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Well, unless I could do 100 per hour it doesn't seem worth it. Possibly developing a macro to use would do the trick. This would allow keywording to be done on a spreadsheet while looking at a contact sheet of images and then the macro could run a "cut and paste" function to update the data base. Having had a lot of experience in data base population, this would seem like the way to go. |
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 12:42:05 PM door Pinfoldphotos |
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| Oorspronkelijk gepost door Rabbitsfoot: |
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Geciteerd Bericht:
Well, unless I could do 100 per hour it doesn't seem worth it. Possibly developing a macro to use would do the trick. This would allow keywording to be done on a spreadsheet while looking at a contact sheet of images and then the macro could run a "cut and paste" function to update the data base. Having had a lot of experience in data base population, this would seem like the way to go. |
I would think that contributors would want a more personal hands on approach if they were paying for it, rather than a generic set of keywords resulting from a database cut and paste macro.
Difficult to make any real money given those constraints though, I agree. |
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Bericht bewerkt 11/01/2006, 13:41:15 PM door Rabbitsfoot |
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Pinfoldphotos, I was not talking about a generic keyword database. The keymaster would type the keywords for each image using a spreadsheet and then they would be transferred to the data base in an automated fashion. It's just a way to streamline data entry instead of opening an image one at a time, keywording, saving and moving on to the next.
This would allow Keymasters to view a contact sheet of images and key the entries and upload all in one swoop.
This is not that easy to explain, but anyone with data base knowledge may know what I'm talking about when I mentioned using a macro. This type of macro takes the place of repetitive manual keystrokes. |
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 14:43:31 PM door Michaeldb |
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This seems like a good idea. Three questions:
1. The more stock imaging I have done, the more I have learned about what keywords to use. And those of us who have been reading the message board here for a long time have seen the admins answer many questions about keywording practices. So wouldn't the best keymaster not only be someone with English skills but someone who has been making and selling stock images for a while?
2. If keymastering does work, it seems to me that a person with higher qualifications as a keyworder should be paid more. For example, on freelance.com you earn more for writing jobs if you have verified credentials. Maybe the possibility for doing that later should be built into the system at the beginning.
3. Wasn't 'the Keymaster' the role played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters? If so, will the be any risk of being smashed by the Stapuff giant Marshamallow Man? |
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Bericht gepost op 11/01/2006, 15:19:26 PM door Pinfoldphotos |
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Geciteerd Bericht: Pinfoldphotos, I was not talking about a generic keyword database. The keymaster would type the keywords for each image using a spreadsheet and then they would be transferred to the data base in an automated fashion. It's just a way to streamline data entry instead of opening an image one at a time, keywording, saving and moving on to the next.
This would allow Keymasters to view a contact sheet of images and key the entries and upload all in one swoop.
This is not that easy to explain, but anyone with data base knowledge may know what I'm talking about when I mentioned using a macro. This type of macro takes the place of repetitive manual keystrokes. |
I see....sorry, I misunderstood your ideas. I can see how the database would speed things up.
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Bericht bewerkt 11/01/2006, 19:24:04 PM door Dennist1 |
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True about the database, but rather than DLing the images, DT may have a nice little web page cooked up to do the work on. I doubt that the keymasters will need to enter it in the EXIF of the file.
Just my guess of course.
Also, if that name was used in a movie, any risk to DT for copyrights?
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